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03/19/08 at 3:55pm 
 
Looking to get a pontoon boat.  Would like a two person but didn't want to spend more than a $1000.  Though I'd like to hear what you guys think of the Scadden and Outcast two persons for $1599.  They're both on Cabela's webpage.  As for a one person, I'm leaning toward the Scadden Skykomish Sunrise for $999.  What do you think about that boat?  I like the standing platform and large back platform (that the Outcast equivalent doesn't have).    
 
Then I discovered a Creek Company 1220 on Craigslist for $500.  That is cheap.  It is last year's model which retails for $1199.  I know that's not a great boat in terms of quality and versatility (e.g. whitewater), but it's so freaking cheap I'm thinking about buying it.  What do you think about that boat?  I found this review of it online as well:  
 
http://www.flyfishinginmaine.com/reviews/creekboat.php
 
Also, specifically, I'm wondering about a standing platform for the rower's chair.  It looks like only the fishing chair has a platform.  Would it be fairly easy to build something?  Maybe just some boards between the frame even?  
 
Thanks in advance for any input.  
 
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Reply #1 - 03/19/08 at 10:22pm 
 
there are several of us on this board that have the scadden boat. it is all that's it cracked up to be.
there are some things that could be better, but i think it's the best personal pontoon on the market.
 
shoot creekgeek a pm about the odc boat, he has one he may be interested in getting rid off.
 
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Reply #2 - 03/20/08 at 1:57pm 
 
Thanks for the reply Jeff.  Though now I think I'm looking definitely at a 2 person and definitely not at the ODC.  I think I'd rather spend the extra money to have some extra boat.  So right now it seems like it's between the Outcast Fish Cat 13 or the Scadden McKenzie Drifter.
 
The Scadden is much lighter (87lbs) and has a higher capacity (1000lbs).  The Outcast weighs 170lbs and holds 750lbs.  The thing is I'm not sure where all the weight is coming from on the Outcast and why it has so much less capacity.  It's pontoons are actually an inch bigger in diameter and the same length as the Scadden!  I've read elsewhere that Scadden tends to pad the numbers a little.  What do you think about this?  I can throw 87lbs in the back of a truck by myself but 170lbs might be a bit much.  
 
Also, I like how the seats are raised on the Outcast (though it might make finning a bit more difficult) and how at Cabelas right now they they throw in free a second standing platform for the rowers chair which is not included on the Scadden boat.  
 
I'd love to get your feedback on these things.  
 
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Reply #3 - 03/21/08 at 9:50pm 
 
Sounds like you have really done your homework.  Not sure I can offer much other than Outcast boats are built by Aire Rafts.  I've been rowing Aire rafts for 12 years and have never encountered a problem.  My old boat which my buddy Chad just sold to another guide was used when I bought it and still going after 14 years!  Aire and Outcast are known to be a bit heavier but they hold up, in fact I've never needed to patch one of my boats.  
 
The Scadden boats use to have Aire pontoons but now Dave has someone else making his toons.  I really like the look of his boats but haven't had a chance to row one.  Lots of discussion about the ODC, Outcasts and Scadden boats at Riversmallies.com
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Reply #4 - 03/22/08 at 5:56pm 
 
i doubt the weight of the scadden. my boat is probably about 50lbs.
 
scadden has the best frame and anchor system on the market.
 
outcast/aire have the best toons on the market.
 
make your pick based on that. if you ever want to check out the scadden rafts let me know,
i've got 2 in the driveway as we speak.
 
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Reply #5 - 03/23/08 at 3:19pm 
 
Looks like I'm going with the Scadden McKenzie Drifter.  If anyone wants a NEW Outcast Fish Cat 13 for $900 check this Ebay auction out.  That's a great deal (retails for $1600) and shipping's only $100.
 
http://tinyurl.com/2m4oj8
 
I would prefer one of the Outcast PAC series raft, but they're just out of my price range.  The Fish Cat 13 is what I can afford and the Scadden McKenzie Drifter is the same price and seems to be a better boat in terms of weight and capacity (because it has urethane instead of vinyl bladders and a premium aluminum frame instead of steel, or at least that's what the Scadden folks told me on the phone).  
 
Jeff: I would love to check out your boats but I'm in Indiana right now and won't be back down that way until this summer.  But if anybody's up for a float trip I'll bring my new boat!
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Reply #6 - 03/23/08 at 4:32pm 
 
i'll let you row me around anytime!
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Reply #7 - 06/11/08 at 1:28pm 
 
Dang, I hadn't read this thread. I am glad I went to pic up my Scadden from Jeffs house - looks like he was trying to sell it.....
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Reply #8 - 06/11/08 at 10:43pm 
 
You know those pontoons will dry rot sitting in the drive way.   Roll Eyes
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Some other uses for pontoon boats
Reply #9 - 09/03/09 at 10:51am 
 
Hey Guys...
 
I'm a new member and this thread is made for me.
 
We live down on the Gulf Coast of Alabama (what we call LA for Lower Alabama).  I've fished from pontoon boats on some guided trips (out west...not in Carolina) and love them.  I feel stable etc.  I'm not a small guy (prbably 275...on a good day  Wink ) and these kayaks that everybody uses down here just scare me to death.  The pontoon boats are so much more stable.
 
My question is this:  How hard are they to paddle/handle in still water.  Down here,  so much of my fishing is in saltwater or stillwater.  My kayak buddies think I'm crazy to consider a pontoon boat but maybe that's just because they don't see many of them down here.  On the other hand,  maybe you don't see many of them down here for a reason!
 
I'll give you an example of how I would use one.  I'm a tarpon nut (if that's not redundant) and we get a good run of them off the beach in June.  Many times in June it's flat calm  (particularly in the mornings).  I'd love to have a pontoon boat to launch before work.  I wouldn't have to paddle but 50 yards or so out to the first sandbar.    
 
Plus,  there's some really good farm ponds around that I'd like to explore.
 
Does a pontoon boat sound like it would be functional for things like this?  (My kayak buddies tell me the wind and tides would play hell on a pontoon boat vs. a "yak".)
 
How do ya'll see it?
 
Great site by the way.
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Reply #10 - 09/04/09 at 11:51am 
 
Where have I been.  I totally missed this thread.
 
Yes Scadden pads his numbers.  Outcast/Aire are conservative with theirs.
 
As far as PAC rafts, if you are looking for a cheaper route, their are plenty of Aire used rafts, then build or buy your frame. PAC1300=aire SuperPuma   Pac1400=Aire SuperDuperPuma
 
As far as best anchoring system, Dierks is the best that I have encounter (clavey.com).
 
Scadden frames tend to be light weight and minimalist, which is fine for fishing, but if you ever run any whitewater you appreciate a heavier frame.  
 
Other two man toons to look at would be SOTAR, Jacks Plastic Weld, Aire's Tributary line and MAXXON (same as steelheader, snookum, and others).  Go with the two man and have two frame sections.  As they can easily be rowed by one person.
 
Floyd, the pontoon are going to be way too slow for you.  Also I would be worried about the frame (and d-rings and inflation valve springs) rusting on you. If you can get around the rusting issues, you might be able to add a small motor (2-4 hp) or trolling motor and it would work well for you.
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Reply #11 - 09/16/09 at 11:14pm 
 
I feel that any toon is worthless without kick fins.  
A lot of effort goes a long way.
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Reply #12 - 09/17/09 at 3:54pm 
 
In all honesty. I have a raft with an oar frame for taking more than myself. And a one man toon for just myself. That's all a man needs. The standing platforms are useless unless you use a trollin motor cause you cant stand an move down the river. Bug is right, kick fins are the way to fish by yourself. I have spent many days many ways fishin and it don't get any better than this way.
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Reply #13 - 09/18/09 at 7:28pm 
 
Yep....after watching Bug navigate without touching the oars, I realized how the kick fins should be part of the one man toon arsenal. I saw some today at Bass Pro, but didnt really have the $$ to blow.
 
Chad, float that scadden I have and you will change your mind about the standing platform.....I like to stand and anchor hop (where applicable!) BUT you can bust your ass if not paying attention while drifting standing.
 
All I need is more time to float, and kick fins!
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Reply #14 - 09/19/09 at 3:24pm 
 
I stood 90% of the day yesterday on the Hiwassee, would have been more but no lean bar (so that I could kick if I wanted to, but I don't)
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